2008-08-03T00:14:02 *** jekhor has quit IRC 2008-08-03T00:29:06 *** Hicks has quit IRC 2008-08-03T01:23:30 *** quickhand has quit IRC 2008-08-03T01:37:46 http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2008/08/01/free-software-usability 2008-08-03T02:18:52 *** helge has left #openinkpot 2008-08-03T02:18:55 *** helge has joined #openinkpot 2008-08-03T04:17:31 *** roxfan has quit IRC 2008-08-03T04:28:38 *** roxfan has joined #openinkpot 2008-08-03T04:45:54 *** Mrdini has quit IRC 2008-08-03T09:36:15 *** jekhor has joined #openinkpot 2008-08-03T11:23:27 *** LunohoD_ has joined #openinkpot 2008-08-03T11:29:18 *** LunohoD has quit IRC 2008-08-03T11:29:18 *** LunohoD_ is now known as LunohoD 2008-08-03T11:34:44 *** abishai_ has joined #openinkpot 2008-08-03T11:36:33 *** abishai has quit IRC 2008-08-03T11:49:32 *** roxfan has quit IRC 2008-08-03T11:52:50 *** pcfe has joined #openinkpot 2008-08-03T11:59:07 *** roxfan has joined #openinkpot 2008-08-03T13:53:28 *** roxfan has quit IRC 2008-08-03T13:56:01 *** roxfan has joined #openinkpot 2008-08-03T14:08:22 *** jekhor has quit IRC 2008-08-03T14:50:01 *** openink has joined #openinkpot 2008-08-03T14:55:42 *** Hicks has joined #openinkpot 2008-08-03T15:04:54 *** pcfe has quit IRC 2008-08-03T15:36:59 *** quickhand has joined #openinkpot 2008-08-03T15:54:59 *** roxfan2 has joined #openinkpot 2008-08-03T15:58:25 *** roxfan has quit IRC 2008-08-03T16:18:31 *** roxfan has joined #openinkpot 2008-08-03T16:19:22 *** roxfan2 has quit IRC 2008-08-03T17:07:46 I've made the first commit of MadPDF to github. Main functionality is there, but won't work properly until I write a proper theme for it. 2008-08-03T18:04:22 that's great, quickhand. I've got running the apps on the Cybook - http://www.fi.muni.cz/~xherman1/cybook/madshelf.jpg 2008-08-03T18:04:58 but I can't control it, the num-keys just aren't there;) 2008-08-03T18:05:22 oh, damnit 2008-08-03T18:05:33 you work too fast, mr. ondra 2008-08-03T18:05:36 :)) 2008-08-03T18:06:01 hmm, fast? I didn't touch it at all last week. 2008-08-03T18:06:01 now I'm going to have to adapt the interface for other controls :( 2008-08-03T18:06:04 * ondra is too lazy 2008-08-03T18:06:58 dottedmag: did you take a look at mappdf? 2008-08-03T18:07:03 *madpdf 2008-08-03T18:07:08 quickhand: not yet 2008-08-03T18:07:23 ondra: cool 2008-08-03T18:07:27 quickhand: I can help, but I don't know anything about EFL, how do you think it should be fixed? 2008-08-03T18:07:28 I set up the repository for it on github 2008-08-03T18:07:42 ondra: by complete rewrite :) 2008-08-03T18:07:43 * dottedmag hides 2008-08-03T18:08:15 dottedmag: No! Most of it can be done with the theme 2008-08-03T18:08:24 quickhand: just joking 2008-08-03T18:08:39 dottedmag: I figured. Didn't sound like you :) 2008-08-03T18:09:30 I figure, we can set up two modes, keyboard/reduced-keyboard mode (for v3, kindle, etc.) and joystick mode (for cybook, etc.) 2008-08-03T18:09:40 that should be general enough, I think 2008-08-03T18:09:43 quickhand: hey, let's just move it to the script 2008-08-03T18:10:03 I heard many times on forums that users want to control the keys layout. 2008-08-03T18:10:55 quickhand: I think it will be easy enough to abstract current operations ("select current item", "menu", "next page", "context menu") and expose them as actions on Embryo level. 2008-08-03T18:10:56 argh 2008-08-03T18:11:49 dottedmag: possibly - In the theme, you can have things, say, change color upon receipt of focus 2008-08-03T18:12:10 that's sort-of how I set up the preferences dialog box in madpdf 2008-08-03T18:12:58 dottedmag: if you want to try madpdf, build theme theme in the theme directory and copy to /usr/share/madpdf 2008-08-03T18:13:10 *the theme 2008-08-03T18:13:25 build madpdf and go 2008-08-03T18:13:43 the madpdf theme is not finished, though, so things don't look quite right yet 2008-08-03T18:15:36 dottedmag, what should I do to get a shell on the serial console? 2008-08-03T18:16:09 ^C is eaten. 2008-08-03T18:16:16 ondra: start /bin/sh on it in /etc/inittab 2008-08-03T18:17:14 ondra: that is so cool - people are going to flip when they see that picture of yours 2008-08-03T18:17:51 hm, lame, I thought it was there. 2008-08-03T18:18:22 quickhand: I should remap some other key to '1' to fire up FBReader;) 2008-08-03T18:20:36 :) sorry about being so device specific 2008-08-03T18:21:08 I didn't think you'd have the cybook up and running for a long time 2008-08-03T18:21:22 at least it's more fun this way;) 2008-08-03T18:25:43 :) 2008-08-03T18:30:48 FBReader (sort of) works too, opens some 'About FBReader' every time. 2008-08-03T18:34:24 At some point, some other people are going to have to start learning EFL - I can't be the only app developer! 2008-08-03T18:35:47 Are there any other non-kernel and non-X hackers hanging around who can write some code? 2008-08-03T18:36:01 * dottedmag hides 2008-08-03T18:36:22 dottedmag: you're budy enough already 2008-08-03T18:36:25 *busy 2008-08-03T18:37:46 I think it's time to get some app developers 2008-08-03T18:38:18 That was the point of 0.0 release, I think :) 2008-08-03T18:38:28 ah 2008-08-03T18:39:06 maybe we should go fishing over at the EFL forums/irc as well 2008-08-03T18:39:20 There's ramok, hanging on -ru channel, playing with new V3 and our kernel. However he seems to be kernel guy too. 2008-08-03T18:40:32 maybe we should put out an open call, on the blog, the forums, etc. 2008-08-03T18:41:06 :) 2008-08-03T18:41:27 invite app programmers, and assure them that they needn't know kernel programming (over even know what a kernel is :) in order to contribute 2008-08-03T18:41:28 hi all 2008-08-03T18:41:37 'ello ramok 2008-08-03T18:42:21 * quickhand has a vague idea of what a kernel is... he thinks... 2008-08-03T18:44:01 Any idea what's wrong, how to fix it, where? FBReader? Madshelf? 2008-08-03T18:44:05 * ondra is clueless 2008-08-03T18:44:22 what's the problem? 2008-08-03T18:44:42 before calling someone we need: 1. detailed TODO list 2. HOWTO install soft for programming lbook with examples 2008-08-03T18:44:57 ondra: try to run FBreader from the command line and pass the book as a first argument 2008-08-03T18:45:04 FBReader (sort of) works too, opens some 'About FBReader' every time. 2008-08-03T18:45:47 ok 2008-08-03T18:46:17 *** delphidb has joined #openinkpot 2008-08-03T18:46:48 ramok: I've just been writing the apps on my desktop, using EFL 2008-08-03T18:46:58 quickhand: this need to be documented too 2008-08-03T18:47:15 Ondra, OH-flipping! MY-flipping! GAWD-flipping!!! I understand that Madshelf isn't yet responding to the D-control, but - like - WOW!!! 2008-08-03T18:47:19 what needs to be documented? 2008-08-03T18:47:40 delphidb: hahaha I was waiting for you to show up and get excited 2008-08-03T18:47:41 quickhand: that it is possible to write applications on desktop 2008-08-03T18:47:55 I showed up. I'm *excited*!!! :) :) :) 2008-08-03T18:48:16 (I feel like letting out a BWAHAHAHAHA!) :) 2008-08-03T18:49:16 dottedmag: we should put together a skeletal application, a sort of template 2008-08-03T18:49:58 a OI "hello world" 2008-08-03T18:50:08 *an OI 2008-08-03T18:50:10 So Ondra, are you saying that you've got both Madshelf and FBReader compiled to the Cybook? Or just Madshelf? 2008-08-03T18:50:23 delphidb: it's not need to be compiled :-P 2008-08-03T18:50:38 (Me wanna test it so bad me gonna need spit or piss soon. :) ) 2008-08-03T18:50:38 delphidb: the architecture is the same, so the packages are common for all devices. 2008-08-03T18:50:39 delphidb: both are sort-of working, I believe 2008-08-03T18:51:27 Og want be guinea pig. Og need be guinea pig. Og like be guinea pig. (wheek, wheek) 2008-08-03T18:51:47 * quickhand needs help - he cannot handle both madshelf and madpdf 2008-08-03T18:52:02 without going mad :P 2008-08-03T18:52:32 But I thought being original developer *required* being/going mad??? 2008-08-03T18:52:36 quickhand: I'll help you as soon as I finish working on udak 2008-08-03T18:52:41 udak? 2008-08-03T18:53:06 still, I think madpdf is going to be really cool 2008-08-03T18:53:08 delphidb: it's a part of infrastructure: tool which handles the source and binary packages for archive. 2008-08-03T18:53:33 delphidb: now we are using SLIND's slindak which is very slow due to some reason. 2008-08-03T18:53:37 Okay. Just thought udak was nifty acronym. 2008-08-03T18:53:43 for something that is. 2008-08-03T18:53:54 dottedmag: executing it directly works as it should. 2008-08-03T18:53:59 It's uDAK, and DAK stands for Debian Archive Kit 2008-08-03T18:54:07 I just have to fix the theme for madpdf, then I will maybe add DVI support, and then it will be pretty good already. 2008-08-03T18:54:24 ondra: so it should be a problem in madshelf 2008-08-03T18:54:27 Then, 'u' must stand for 'micro'? 2008-08-03T18:54:31 yes 2008-08-03T18:55:06 dottedmag: what could the problem be? It just runs a script/program - nothing complicated. 2008-08-03T18:55:20 * dottedmag was really ashamed - there are dozens of different DAKs, all of them in some kind of abandonment, and original DAK is heavy and incomprehensible 2008-08-03T18:55:24 *NOW* I get it. 2008-08-03T18:55:44 Then it's a *good thing* you micro-sized it. :) 2008-08-03T18:56:02 dottedmag: Well, why don't use Gentoo? There is everything already;). 2008-08-03T18:57:22 ondra: except full cross-compilation environment :-P 2008-08-03T18:57:26 quick question. Clearly Madshelf needs to be customized to recognize numeric keys vs D-control, but will this also be a problem with FBReader? 2008-08-03T18:58:01 delphidb: it uses 0/9 for page flipping. Another two-lines change. 2008-08-03T18:58:23 Or maybe it uses cursor keys too, then it will work as is. 2008-08-03T18:58:30 I see. That's good. 2008-08-03T18:59:02 'crossdev -t armel-softfloat-linux-gnu' builds the right toolchain. It's enough to set few environment variables and a make.conf and you are ready to go. 2008-08-03T18:59:44 ondra: GentooInk is waiting for you :) 2008-08-03T19:00:40 GentooInk??? 2008-08-03T19:01:09 ondra: actually, I don't see the point - it is easier to fix the remaining bits of infrastructure than to rebase again (and I really don't know the amount of work you'll need to put into cutting Gentoo basesystem to the acceptable size) 2008-08-03T19:01:11 (Geez. Yet *ANOTHER* copy of IE running to google gentooink! :) ) 2008-08-03T19:01:37 delphidb: get a FF or Opera already :-P 2008-08-03T19:02:09 Working on it. Of course, all this will be moot if I get that Macbook Air I'm drooling over. :) 2008-08-03T19:04:05 Y'know. I'm still confused. If I'm running a Pentium D, am I running a 32-bit or 64-bit processor??? 2008-08-03T19:04:46 delphidb: look at wikipedia 2008-08-03T19:04:47 dottedmag: You can get just the packages you want, you aren't forced to use anything. It should be pretty easy to rebase, I'll try to roll something later, it's probably easier for me than tweaking something debian-based. 2008-08-03T19:05:12 Wikipedia for PD/P4 or Wikipedia for gentooink? 2008-08-03T19:05:14 but, certainly, there is no point in doing that if the current solution works ok. 2008-08-03T19:05:18 delphidb: PD 2008-08-03T19:05:23 Got it. 2008-08-03T19:12:38 Has the SDIO wifi been run on either the Cybook or V3? 2008-08-03T19:12:57 *** quickhand has quit IRC 2008-08-03T19:22:35 delphidb: The card slot on the Cybook is really just mass-storage. 2008-08-03T19:23:19 Sorta what I expected you'd say. :( 2008-08-03T19:24:01 So no direct connection to the internet via wifi for my cybooks. Sigh. Okay. I'm a *bad boy* for wanting it, but I'll survive. :) 2008-08-03T19:24:04 *** quickhand has joined #openinkpot 2008-08-03T19:29:02 Has the 'two-line' change dottedmag talked about been implemented yet? Can I toss myself under the "Let's let Derek be a guinea pig for Madshelf and FBReader" train? :) 2008-08-03T19:31:15 *** openink has quit IRC 2008-08-03T19:33:12 *** jekhor has joined #openinkpot 2008-08-03T19:47:08 ку 2008-08-03T19:47:11 re 2008-08-03T19:49:57 Isn't that supposed to be Kyrie??? :) 2008-08-03T19:52:13 *** openink has joined #openinkpot 2008-08-03T20:23:03 *** delphidb has quit IRC 2008-08-03T21:02:02 *** prpplague has quit IRC 2008-08-03T22:50:40 *** openink has quit IRC 2008-08-03T23:00:54 *** quickhand has quit IRC 2008-08-03T23:36:25 *** openink has joined #openinkpot 2008-08-03T23:54:40 http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=227376&postcount=3 this is more beleivable